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Don't tell me how to look...

by ajnspencer @ 16/06/06 - 20:15:15

...and who to be attracted to. My self-image is in negative numbers anyway, why push this?

So, after many decades of irrational, immature and, lets be honest, dangerous tosh, targetted specifically at making women dislike their appearance and in some cases literally "get thin or die trying" I saw the first non-hair-dye one aimed at men.

The gist of it was "you think they're laughter lines, she thinks they're the old craggy wrinkles of some old geezer she'll never sleep with..."

Ok, lets pass on the fact the guy in the ad is the typical slimy yuppie after his barbie-bimbo secreatary.

Where the hell do they get off telling people how they MUST look?!

I've made my feelings more than well known on the supermodel-or-slapper theology we're pushing on our youngsters but it's more than that, we seem to be trying our darndest to be teaching the younger generation what they should find attractive, maybe even what they HAVE to find attractive

I have this horrible image of a Barbie and Ken world in the future because only the prettiest ones are allowed to breed or we just alter our children, genetically or physically.

I can't speak for blokes to be honest but the only time I think a woman is ugly is when she has an ugly personality.

I know there's ladies on here who have no/low self confidence when it comes to their attractiveness but I find them far more attractive than a gold-digging Colleen, an arrogant stick-thin Posh, a plastic Jordan or any of those "ladies" on shows like BB who are defined as the Bad Cowgirl Brigade (Can't keep their calves together...)

I fear we'll never get a perfect society when this fashion mag and make up ad rubbish doesn't exist.

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lyndljlyndlj pro
2006-06-16 @ 20:26

Well you know about my esteem,there just isn`t any. But thats down to what I have been told not what I read or saw in mags. You have seen my post on this in thedebatething. It really is bad news for the young things that are not built that way.

But you should have some, I've seen some of your profile pics over the last 10 months or so and, as your friend, I'd say you're very attractive, that's ignoring how special we all know you are personality wise.

Maybe one day we'll realise theres no point driving a Ferrari if it's got a moped engine in it. Inside will always be so much more important.

lyndljlyndlj pro
2006-06-16 @ 20:52

You always make me smile AJ,but you know I am hopeless with compliments. I do see where you are coming from though. Looks have never interested me. What counts is a good sense of humour,honesty and a good personality.

Lol, I know, but not being able to take em and not deserving them are two whole seperate things.

Exactly right.

sminchinsminchin pro
2006-06-16 @ 20:45

You really are in the minority AJ (or that's how it seems a lot of the time), a lot of guys are only interested in what score their woman would get from their friends.

I am so grateful that I found my husband before the insecurities really hit me.

Yeah, well, a bigscore from your locker-room buddies doesn't secure you a long term happy future.

Maybe even the opposite.

[Visitor]

2006-06-16 @ 21:08

well, its nice to know that someone else thinks the same as i do about stuff.

[Visitor]

2006-06-16 @ 21:10

My god you really are one of a kind aint ya AJ. I wish more men spoke and thought like you, bless ya little cotton socks x

I'm sure a lot do, maybe in todays "looks matter" society it's not seen as a good thing to disagree.

You know me, I don't mind being different :D

What's wrong with those lines? On certain people *cough*Lecturers*cough*, they are quite attractive! ;)

Btw. What a scary world, where only Barbie and Ken are allowed to breed! 88|

:P Do I need to know that? ;)

Lol, especially as they dont have the equipment...

Probably not, but that's what I first thought when I saw that advert! :p

I was thinking of them breeding "perfect" children, with "perfect" looks, etc! Oh. Dear. I'm going to have nightmares about that one, tonight! 8|

:P:)):P

I'd offer to try and get into your dreams and help but I think that would just cause more nightmares ;)

[Visitor]

2006-06-16 @ 21:34

I agree with Sarah, you are def in the minority, sadly. I told my dad I'd spoken to that woman and he said...oh the one that used to be an air hostess? or a model or something?

She never was, but she is 6 foot, slim, with long legs and long black hair.

Shows where my dad's head is at. And my husband's!

Not how it should be though :-/

[Visitor]

2006-06-16 @ 21:41

Ideally no. Loads of people stop growing emotionally in their 20's though. And loads have been brought up in households that honour air-brush type beauty and diss anything that isn't magazine-ly beautiful.

Oh look I made a new word :roll:

Hehe, see, none of those bimbos can do that!

PurpleDragonPurpleDragon [Member]
2006-06-16 @ 21:39

Good for you. What a breath of fresh air.

Everybody seems to be saying this, I'd still like to pretend there's more people around who think like this.

PurpleDragonPurpleDragon [Member]
2006-06-17 @ 14:28

I think that people like to *think* they think like that, but under it all, would be less likely to chose the homely woman over the beautiful one.

I suppose when it comes down to it that's all I can say for myself but I know "personality is beauty" is something I feel really strong over.

PurpleDragonPurpleDragon [Member]
2006-06-17 @ 14:44

The thing about beauty is, it fades (unless you join the plastics). Personality just gets richer.

I actually feel sorry for the likes of Lea with her tattoo'd eyebrows and her scary chest (do men actually REALLY like something that ... huge?). As a woman who finds the female form vastly more attractive than the male (sorry guys) I think a reasonable sized bosom is immensely more attractive than something that size. I just can't get past the stretchmarks. Why do that to yourself?? All those women with naturally occurring size F's and desperate for a reduction to help save their backs, and Lea goes and pays for some.

A close friend of mine who had no boobs to speak of at all just went and had a new chest installed. I haven't seen them, but apparently they are great. They look normal, though, not bazookas, you know? Mind you, I'm a bit jealous coz now hers are bigger than mine LOL

See this is my second gripe, fake breasts.

WHY?!

If I wanted that id go dunk my hands in the basketball bin in Allsports...

Jordan, beautiful natural girl becomes ugly plastic chav slapper.

PurpleDragonPurpleDragon [Member]
2006-06-19 @ 18:30

I think you have to be there to understand why a woman would opt for a normal sized bosom, rather than none at all. Really.

It is a whole new subject IMO.

If you look at mankind's history and evolution you will see that the female breasts are a very important part of the human animal mating ritual thing. A woman with wide hips and reasonable sized breasts is subconsciously considered to be better able to birth and feed the baby easily.

The male leader figure is also heartily sought after subconsciously because he has status in the tribe, and is also more likely to get the larger portion of hunting and spoils, thereby being better able to support the offspring of the female. Hence the sexual success of certain not-so-attractive politicians I won't name.

I do agree that physical enhancement that takes one beyond the norm (like Jordan) is just pitiable, but my friend having a new set doesn't bother me in the slightest. She hasn't done it for how she looks to other people, but how she feels in herself. She wants clothes to fit properly, is one reason. You try buying a size 12 dress - it is cut to fit someone with a size 12 bust, not a size 8 bust. The dress just doesn't fit, and without the local seamstress permanently in employ, your clothes just never hang right.

shazzashazza [Member]
2006-06-16 @ 22:14

I think you are great. I look different to many people as I have a large birthmark on my face. During my teens this was a nightmare as no boys would go out with me but they would all be my mates (peer pressure is a terrible thing). After leaving school I realised that it isn't what you look like but what you are inside and I was never short of dates. Now happily married but happy to say that I still get chatted up despite my baby belly and flabby arse. A lot of my very pretty friends wish they had my confidence but they never will until they realise that there is more to life than make up and highlights.

You're so right hon, school is possibly the worst time of all, even if they're not brainwashed by mags/tv etc then they'll pick on anyone different.

I'm really glad you have confidence now and are happy in life and love :)

sminchinsminchin pro
2006-06-17 @ 08:25

First of all, what have they done to the comments? Ugh!
Secondly, I would like to say that I prefer a man with a few laughter lines to some botoxed-into-nowhere plastic person.

What have they done to the comments? *confused*

I never understand injecting anything with the word "toxin" built in...

cj592cj592 pro
2006-06-17 @ 09:22

I cant stand it when people tell me what to wear! I am not what you might say 'fashion concious'

Lol, me neither.

I'm definitely not the smartest dressed person in our office!

It's scary to think that people in 'the media' will eventually all look the same if they insist on all this bloody surgery - it's also weird how the women start to look less feminine after surgery and more 'bride of wildenstein' and the men look more feminine after surgery!! lol. It's a mad place this planet but I like and am comfy being me now. My teens were far too angsty, insecure and appearance driven, as is often the case, but I now appreciate having a brain that enjoys learning more, having opinions and appreciating stuff, not just working out how long it would take to pay for another round of botox, (allowing no show of emotions on your face), and get that hideous designer handbag. Good post Mr Aj. x

Jeez, the bride of wildenstein..... *shudder*

I've always been self conscious but I just reached a certian "sod it" point where I couldn't care less anymore.

Well, I say that, I take care over my appearence but not to the extent of changing who I am.

and neither should you go changing - you just remain exactly as is Aj - I likes yer just the way you are. ;) x

Aww... :oops: Ditto hon!

Now to find a single woman that thinks the same... ;)

amyluvscfcamyluvscfc [Member]
http://ox0-amy-0xo.bebo.com
2006-06-18 @ 14:49

probably a bit late to be commenting on this, but would just like to voice my opinion =]
being a fifteen year old girl in a world like this takes a lot of work. going to skool isn't about learning, it's about the friends you relationships you have, and these things usually depend on your appearance. thankfully i've found some friends who really have no preferance as to whether i look good or not.
i have to admit i do take an interest in my appearance, the way any teenage girl would. but i would NEVER go to the extreme of paying for someone to change how people will view me for the rest of my life. plastic surgery is just admitting your insecurity but covering it up as soon as possible. unless you've been involved in some kind of accident and are having surgery just to look as closely as how you did before, then i think it's just a sign of being a coward. unable to face the world as you are, having to change just in case other people dislike your appearance.
you should grow to love the way you are naturally, imperfections and all; they're what makes us human. we all just need to focus on our personalities more aswell. the happiness of finding the most handsome guy in the world will never cover the disappointment of realising he's a self-obsessed weirdo with no personality.

..sorry to waffle on like that =P
xox

Naah, never too late, I don't mind comments on posts other than my latest, quite the opposite! :)

And it wasn't waffle, I agree with everything you've said :)

Lol, "self obsessed weirdo with no personality..." I know quite a few like that!

amyluvscfcamyluvscfc [Member]
http://ox0-amy-0xo.bebo.com
2006-06-18 @ 14:53

LoL
I advise you to slap them and hide in a bush ! ! =O

x]

sorry....
xox

Lol, it's a plan!

amyluvscfcamyluvscfc [Member]
http://ox0-amy-0xo.bebo.com
2006-06-18 @ 14:58

indeeeeeeeeed =P
we can elaborate on it at a later date --_--
we can involve rockets and all sorts =D

EvilEdnaEvilEdna [Member]
2006-06-18 @ 14:54

Woo to you!

Lol, you know, I don't get woo'ed nearly enough :))

Hope you're good hon.

Hmm, an apostrophe and 'e' in there makes it look much better...

EvilEdnaEvilEdna [Member]
2006-06-18 @ 16:37

It does indeed - I wasn't going to say anything, you know...

I know, FAR too ladylike to say anything :D

ViEiRAViEiRA [Member]
2006-06-20 @ 01:25

What a beautiful, beautiful post.

I'm so glad you wrote it. You feel exactly the same way as I do.

It's not limited to girls, as you've identified - my boyfriend has much bigger appearance issues than I do. My self esteem issues are pretty much limited to who I actually am, rather than looks. But that's by the grace of God, and a lot of people finding me attractive at the age of 18 or 19, rather than society or anything. According to society I'm average because I don't get my hair cut often enough or something, but I feel good when I look in the mirror and I know people find me attractive.

Everyone is found attractive by someone and at the end of the day one person is all we need and that's what it should come down to.

God bless, Jenni xx

I know this, my self-esteem is fairly minimal at all times!

Speaking as a friend I think you are, but that's more cause I know you're a nice person than anything else.

Now, if you'll excuse me I need to find the one person I'm the one person for ;)

GoingSomewhereGoingSomewhere [Member]
2006-06-27 @ 23:17

If only more people shared your views the world would be a happier place, I'm sure.

[Visitor]

2006-07-07 @ 13:49

Why have I only just seen this........?!? :))

There's nothing wrong with fashion mags.......!!! ;)

Cause you don't pay attention enough? ;)

I'm actually quite chuffed you're obviously so bored you were surfing through back posts :))

Lol, I'd argue there but hey... ;)

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